Runs are Wrong (answered, pending any user feedback)

[larks]

When I check my game scores, my runs for are 925 and my runs against are 821. I actually added them up in a spreadsheet to verify.

When I run a team statistics report, my runs for are 929 and my RA is 821 under pitchers. But....on the batting report, my opponents RA is 822

I am 52 games in and just noticed. How do I figure out where the errors are without looking through 52 games worth of play by play?

Thanks for any help.

[OhioTex]

the Run numbers should "match". I have not seen any reported bug of this type on the forum.

• When I check my game scores, my runs for are 925 and my runs against are 821. I actually added them up in a spreadsheet to verify.
  When I run a team statistics report, my runs for are 929 and my RA is 821 under pitchers. But....on the batting report, my opponents RA is 822
  I am 52 games in and just noticed. How do I figure out where the errors are without looking through 52 games worth of play by play?
  Thanks for any help.

I can try and help you trouble shoot, with a couple fast tricks, but it likely will take detailed reconciliation on your end

To trouble shoot the discrepancy in Runs For 925 (expected from spreadsheet ) vs 929 (reported on iscore)

• First, In League Manager, Turn on the special "ALL" LEAGUE (so no players/teams/games stats are hidden from view)
• second, double check to be sure the number of games reported matches. (Team Manager >Team Stats)
  (since you are over stating runs in program, make sure you do not have extra game in program, If you have an extra game in program, just delete it)
• third, Force a ReCalc on your Team Stats (Team Manager > Team Stats > Recalc (upper right button))
• recheck Team "R" (runs) stats
• did that correct?
  
  For RUNS FOR , If the recalc did not correct, I do not see a fast way to find the source, you are going to have to do a detailed reconciliation, to find the specific discrepancy to understand the root cause to correct in program if you want. here is how i would approach..
  
  • If you use leagues to segment the 52 games in some way, you may be able to narrow the issue if you tackle it league by league, (simply enable only one league at a time) i.e. compare programs report for "league A" against expectations, then leagueB,then "league C" etc... if one is the source, drill into those games next.
    
    For "Runs" For, as folks usually don't forget to score a run when scoring, I tend to suspect the source that is under reporting as the culprit (in your case the spreadsheet). I would double check my spreadsheet next. ( If the program was under reporting, I would be more suspect of a league/player assignment concern).
    
    That said, the program can over report runs, when the scorekeeper fails to correctly mark a "run not scored" when appropriate for "What happen to runner at xyz base?" when runner safely crosses home on a timing play or a force out type situation, when run "does not count". You Can also miss a "run not scored" on a Walk off extra base hit situation, that should only score as many runners as needed to win (except for home run). In sum, if the the scorekeeper missed assigning "run not scored" that could over state runs for a game for a team in a program.
    
    To find a culprit, I would start at the Game total Score level, ,Review the game ending score under game manager of the 52 games to find a discrepancy to your expectation. You can then compare the batter stats if you knew them on a game by game basis to narrow the source of issue. For any game with a discrepancy, I would review the ending scenario of the game (to see if a walk off missed "Run not scored " applies), then I would review the play by play for each inning end, again to see if a "run not scored" situation applies.
    
    Once root source identified, you can correct in Editor or you can manually over write stats for batter.
  
  For RUNS ALLOWED not Matching.
  • Where are you looking for Opponent Runs allowed (i.e. specifically source of your "Batting Report"?

    ....on the batting report, my opponents RA is 822 .

    If you have multiple opponents , you can not see Opponent runs allowed by your team in one place under batting stats on your device (it is a future feature request). BUT If you have a team web site, you can get it b/c you have a total line for opponents and that should match under the R (run stat) for batting.
    
    If you are getting your 'batting report' by manually adding up multiple Opponent Runs For from your device, and coming up Different, than the above reconciliation steps apply. 1 double check your manual spreadsheet math, than 2 reconcile game by game.

Please post back your progress and findings

[larks]

First, In League Manager, Turn on the special "ALL" LEAGUE (so no players/teams/games stats are hidden from view)
second, double check to be sure the number of games reported matches. (Team Manager >Team Stats)
(since you are over stating runs in program, make sure you do not have extra game in program, If you have an extra game in program, just delete it)
third, Force a ReCalc on your Team Stats (Team Manager > Team Stats > Recalc (upper right button))
recheck Team "R" (runs) stats
did that correct?

None of that corrected.

On to the checking by league to see if I can narrow the issue

[larks]

I sorted by league and of course there are 5 totals out of balance by 1 across 5 leagues...only need to look at 33 games vs. 52

[OhioTex]

I sorted by league and of course there are 5 totals out of balance by 1 across 5 leagues...only need to look at 33 games vs. 52

do you have a source to cross check final game score vs iscore game score to narrow the list ?

[larks]

When I go here:

http://www.iscorebaseball.com/hdlnscsb17

click games, pw beer

Those run totals if you add up all the games 925 RF and 811 RA. This I double checked in excel.

When I click statistics, pw beer

Those numbers show 929 and 822 on batting

821 on pitching RA

[larks]

I sorted by league and of course there are 5 totals out of balance by 1 across 5 leagues...only need to look at 33 games vs. 52

do you have a source to cross check final game score vs iscore game score to narrow the list ?

I have manual scoresheets covering all the games.

[OhioTex]

IF you have a secondary source for the final score of each game. i would think that it would be pretty quick work to manually compare the final game scores from secondary source and isomer game manager, to identify the few games (how many ?) that have a final score discrepancy. talking less than 5 it sounds like. .

[larks]

5 games...

using the team website, Im looking at the stats link to find the wrong totals...

Found the first error...

looking at the play by play I found this:

#9 Zach Dillman Triple, [#62 Chris Conner Scores], [#62 Chris Conner Scores], [#9 Zach Dillman advances to Third]

How did one play have Chris scoring twice?

Whats my fix?

[OhioTex]

So you have narrowed from 52 to five specific games with different final scores than you expected. Ok, that is a start, now the hard work. .

there is no generic solve i can give you. you will just have to review the play by play in edit mode for each game to isolate prospects of where the extra score came from and what happened. Like i said, a guess was Walk off hits, or runs not scored missed when force out of trailing runner ending an innings Each game and situation will be unique.

As to Chris scoring twice. have to back up, were two chris on base before the triple, there are multiple ways you could have inadvertently gotten the same person on base twice .. in review of the play by play editor, perhaps you can figure out how and why Chris 1 get on base, and chris 2 at the same time. Or if that is a true error. . .. such duplication could happen with a messed up starting line up, messed up substitution, wrong use of pinch runner or courtesy runner or say use of skip batter or adjust game. probably other ways too., but i would check starting line up first, that is the most critical, only list a player once in a game. look at the activity in that inning focus on activities before, potential substitutions, pinch runners, courtesy runners, potential skip batter or Adjust score miss entries. . . Anyone of those could have doubled on Chris. I you find the problem fix it, If not you can try editing one of the scoring plays and have Chris run Not score. only you can tell if that is correct for that inning or not. Perhaps you wrote yourself a note when scoring, if not, perhaps write one if you change something .