Fielders Choice w No Outs Made: Description & Play Entry Issues (answered, future.feature.request)

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Fielders Choice w No Outs Made: Description & Play Entry Issues (answered, future.feature.request)

Post by tivonut » Fri May 05, 2017 11:18 am

Softball--Runner on 1B, nobody out. Batter hits ball to pitcher who fields cleanly, turns throws ball in dirt to 2B, ball skips into CF, everyone safe. Batter reached first on fielders choice, runner is safe at 2B on throwing error by pitcher. iScore has scored everything correctly, however, in the play-by-play description of the play it states "#17 (player_name) reaches base on a fielder's choice to the pitcher #3 (player name). Unassisted out by pitcher #3 (player name.)" This last sentence is added in error by the software as no out was made or recorded by the software. I have an image of it but it doesn't appear I can upload it here.

Version 5.011 on iPad.
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Re: Incorrectly showing out in description of play

Post by OhioTex » Fri May 05, 2017 1:15 pm

@tivonut - thanks for pointing this out .

I was able to replicate.. to see the extraneous out mentioned in play by play ( and scorecast ). But when i do, it also credits pitcher w a Put out stat.

<<note: post truncated when error found in my intital response. I need to think about this further and will post back>>
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Re: Incorrectly showing out in description of play

Post by tivonut » Fri May 05, 2017 1:46 pm

It's promising you can duplicate it and found further potential issues. I wondered if it may have been updating stats incorrectly but didn't dig that deep. The plus is it did not interfere with the flow of the game while live-scoring. Here's looking forward to the fix.
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Re: Incorrectly showing out in description of play

Post by OhioTex » Fri May 05, 2017 5:07 pm

on a fielders choice, the instructional note on screen says to only touch fielders involved with the out.. So when 'no outs' on a fielders choice ' technically you don't tap any fielders - Just hit done.

The play by play description could stil use some touchup, but won't show the extraneous out you got when you tapped the pitcher
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Re: Incorrectly showing out in description of play

Post by tivonut » Fri May 05, 2017 8:21 pm

It appears you are correct but this still seems a little sloppy and could be cleaned up in the code. It also affected my stats and recorded 22 total put-outs in a 7 inning (21 out) game. Going in and editing the play as you suggest and not tapping on the pitcher corrected everything. However, I know I've done this countless times in the heat of the game and this is the first time I've noticed. Would seem to be an easy fix in the code to correct when no actual out is recorded in game-play with a fielders choice.
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Re: Incorrectly showing out in description of play

Post by OhioTex » Mon May 08, 2017 6:05 am

@tivonut, I would agree, there seems to be some opportunity to improve this in future versions. Not sure where it will fall on developers priority list, but I am confident @Support will capture this and add to their list for future consideration as they assess opportunities for enhancements and development priorities.

To summarize, I see two interrelated issues as noted below with the current scoring of legitimate Fielders Choice game situation when the play does not result in any outs but instead all runners safe, whether by error or errorless play.

Opportunities...
#1) play entry .." In Play > Fielders Choice"
  • Currently on a fielders choice, the program assumes when you touch a fielder position involved in the play, that an out will follow, (even if you later indicate all runners safe at bases). Currently, if no outs are made, the user is suppose to not touch/tap any fielder positions involved in the play - instead, just hit done, But if you do inadvertently select fielders involved in the play, and no outs are made, defensive stats will still be created for Put outs (and assists, if more than one fielder involved) ("over credit"), which of course is incorrect. Additionally, the play by play description can be nonsense in some cases (see below #2).
  • Suggest change to have the program check on a fielders choice, if an out is made on the play or not, so if "fielder's involved in the play" are selected, even when no outs made, the program handles defensive stats properly ( do not credit PO or Assists).

#2) iScore Cast (and play by play) Description ..

Request (that started this thread) is to update the code for play by play text for clarity and accuracy when batter reaches first safely and no errors made and yet no outs recorded on legitimate fielders choice plays, specifically, the following " In Play > Fielders Choice" entry scenarios.
  • a) No fielder involved description - when you do not select any fielder positions as involved in play (aka just hit DONE, the current recommended entry practice)
    • currently you get: "<batter name> reaches base on a fielder's choice to the Unknown Player on the throw from . <base runner1 name> advance to <base> <base runnerX name> advance to <baseY> <batter name> advance to <first>"
    • Suggest change to: "<batter name> reaches base on a fielder's choice. <base runner1 name> advance to <base> <base runnerX name> advance to <baseY> <batter name> advance to <first>"
    b) One Fielder involved description - when you select only one fielder involved in play (e.g. Pitcher)
    • Currently you get: "<batter name> reaches base on a fielder's choice to the <field position><fielder Name> Unassisted out by <field position> <base runner1 name> advance to <base> <base runnerX name> advance to <baseY> <batter name> advance to <first>".
    • Suggest change to: "<batter name> reaches base on a fielder's choice to the <field position><fielder Name> <base runner1 name> advance to <base> <base runnerX name> advance to <baseY> <batter name> advance to <first>"
    c) Multiple fielder involved description -When you select / tap multiple fielders (e.g. Pitcher - Second base) - DESCRIPTION OK AS IS.
    • Currently you get: "<batter name> reaches base on a fielder's choice to the <field position A> <fielder A name> on the throw from <field position A> to <field position B> <fielder B name> <base runner1 name> advance to <base> <base runnerX name> advance to <baseY> <batter name> advance to <first> "
    • this seems ok as is (still have stat issue in item 1 above) but this description makes sense
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Re: Fielders Choice Issues w No Outs Made: Incorrect description & Play Entry Change Suggestion (future enhancement requ

Post by OhioTex » Mon May 22, 2017 11:34 am

I thought i would recap and bump this thread for increase visibility. RE: two related suggestions for improvement on legitimate Fielders Choice Plays when no outs made. (further described in prior posts)

#1) Play Entry .." In Play > Fielders Choice"
  • Suggest haveing the program check on a fielders choice, if an out is made on the play or not, so if "fielder's involved in the play" are tapped, even when no outs made, the program handles defensive stats properly ( do not credit PO or Assists). (i.e. do not expect user to read the fine print to only tap on fielders when an out made, instead anticipate taping on fielders involved in the play to happen if out or not on a fielders choice)
#2) iScore Cast (and play by play) Description ..
  • Update the description for play by play text for clarity and accuracy, in fielders choice plays where no out is made " In Play > Fielders Choice" entry scenarios (see examples in prior post).
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