Please help me make the correct scorekeeping assignment.
A ball is hit a few feet from the pitcher. With ordinary effort he should have fielded the ball.
It went under his glove and I credited him a fielding error.
The second baseman backed him up and fielded it cleanly. He overthrew the first baseman and the runner arrived safely. I credited him with a throwing error.
I've been unable to find anything in the rules stating that only one is allowed or only the first error counts or anything along that line.
Any assistance would be appreciated. This is varsity high school level ball.
Two players earn an error on One play?
Re: Two players earn an error on One play?
There can only be one error associated with a player advancing a base. You would have to decide which one really allowed the batter to reach first safely and assign the error to that player. From your description, I would probably assign the error to the pitcher because if the pitcher had fielded the ball with ordinary effort, then 2B would never have had the opportunity to overthrow the ball.
Also, if the pitcher could have fielded a ball with ordinary effort, then given normal defensive player positioning, I wouldn't think the second baseman would have a play on the ball using ordinary effort. In other words, was the 2B having to make a great play to even have a chance on the throw?
Also, if the pitcher could have fielded a ball with ordinary effort, then given normal defensive player positioning, I wouldn't think the second baseman would have a play on the ball using ordinary effort. In other words, was the 2B having to make a great play to even have a chance on the throw?
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Re: Two players earn an error on One play?
What if you had the first error allow the batter to ROE and then if he went to second it would be from the 2nd baseman error on the overthrow. Just curious.
Re: Two players earn an error on One play?
Good question!
The second baseman would get the throwing error, the pitcher's slate is wiped clean. Had the ball rolled past the pitcher you would have had to make a decision as to if he would have put out the runner at first with ordinary effort. You have to also consider how deep or shallow he had to come to make the fielding play.
Typically, official scorers will give the batter a hit.
Because the second baseman was wise enough to back his pitcher up, the scoring decision should be E4T.
The second baseman would get the throwing error, the pitcher's slate is wiped clean. Had the ball rolled past the pitcher you would have had to make a decision as to if he would have put out the runner at first with ordinary effort. You have to also consider how deep or shallow he had to come to make the fielding play.
Typically, official scorers will give the batter a hit.
Because the second baseman was wise enough to back his pitcher up, the scoring decision should be E4T.
Re: Two players earn an error on One play?
Since the OP specifically said the pitcher would be using ordinary effort to field the batted ball, I would still go for E1 for the advance to first base. If the batter/runner then went to 2nd on the bad throw by 2B then I would score a second error (E4) for that base advance. The OP never mentioned the runner going to second so I'm not sure if that happened or not.
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Re: Two players earn an error on One play?
That's what I'd do as well petro....
Re: Two players earn an error on One play?
Very good responses -- thanks all. Sorry I failed to mention that the runner did advance to second on the overthrow. I think the fielding error and the throwing errors are appropriate.