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Someone must know how to score this

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:58 am
by Rosborn
Is defensive indifference an official stat in both softball and baseball? With runners on first and third, I see on the scorecard where I gave the runner who scored from third when the defensive team chose to get the runner out stealing second base, the runner even slowed down between first and second trying to get in a run down, and in fact did. The run down then resulted in an obstruction and the runner was ultimately awarded second base on obstruction.

So, three scoring questions, is it a judgment awarding the scoring runner 1). A stolen base (double steal) 2). Scoring the run as an error since an obstructions is recorder as an error 3). Showing the run scored on the throw to second or 4). recording the scored run as a defensive indifference?

Re: Someone must know how to score this

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:31 pm
by danmcc
Runner on third should get a stolen base.

Re: Someone must know how to score this

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:34 pm
by team mom
I can't find the specific reference, but in softball, defensive indifference is only scored when the score is so lopsided that the defense does not bother. It does not apply when they decide to go after one runner versus another.

b - When any runner is thrown out on an attempted double or triple
steal, no runner will be credited with a stolen base.
1) On a double steal attempt in a first and third situation
where an unsuccessful but legitimate effort is made to
put out the runner stealing second base, credit a stolen
base even if the runner on third is thrown out at home
on a continuous play.
2) In a first and third double steal credit the runner
advancing to second with a fielder's choice if the initial
throw is to anywhere but second base.
3) In the first and third double steal, credit the runner
advancing to second base with a stolen base if no throw
is made (unless indifference because of a lopsided
score was the cause of no defensive action), even if the
advance was made immediately after rounding on a
walk,
4) On double or triple steal attempts, if a runner is
successful when played upon, all others who advance
are also scored as having successfully stolen a base.

Also:

g - Do not credit a stolen base to a runner who advances because of
defensive indifference; score a fielder's choice. (See noted exception
for first and third situation above).

NFCA Homeplate: ATEC: Beyond The Basics of Scoring Fastpitch Softball

Re: Someone must know how to score this

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:35 pm
by team mom
I agree runner on 3rd gets a stolen base. Runner on first is safe due to obstruction.

Re: Someone must know how to score this

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:10 pm
by Rosborn
Thanks you guys... I at first give in indifference, then showed the runner on third advancing to home on throw to second.. I knew I coauld find someone here who could help, thanks, ro