TIP: How to Score a Fielders Choice Double Play Sequence - FAQ

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TIP: How to Score a Fielders Choice Double Play Sequence - FAQ

Post by brkingston » Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:06 pm

Wondering how to correctly score this play... bases loaded, 1 out. Ground ball to 3rd, 3B steps on 3rd for 2nd out, throws home to catcher who tags out runner from 3rd for 3rd out.
In iScore...
In Play, Fielder's Choice, Medium Grounder, Next, touch 3B and C (5-2), Done. What happened to runner on Third, Out at Home.
OK, here's where I don't know what to select...
If I select Tagged Out, it asks me to enter the positions again that touched the ball (5-2).
If I select Double Play, it doesn't ask me twice.
So, is Double Play the correct option? Seems out of order if so. Why does the other selection (tagged out) ask me twice?

Thanks.
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Re: How to Score this Double Play

Post by OhioTex » Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:38 am

(moderator note: Made a FAQ TIP, although for specific bases loaded situation, Can be applied to a variety of double play fielders choice combinations )

Fielders choice w Double Plays are one of the most challenging plays to enter correctly for stats in iscore.
there is even a special section on it in the User Manual >> . https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B65 ... sz3bedh9gk
But your exact situation is not specifically covered in the manual.. so here you go in detail.


SHORT ANSWER
The generalized answer is to Use DOUBLE PLAY button on a double play and tap only fielders involved with an OUT on a fielders choice.
(it may not flow as intuitive as standard plays and take more taps then a 'quick play' but it will produce correct stats and play by play description)

FURTHER EXPLANATION

SITUATION
0) Bases loaded, 1 out, ground ball hit to third baseman.

1) You want to score an unassisted force out at third by third baseman (credit a put out to 3B) for Out#2 followed by a 5-2 tag out at home (credit the 3B with assist, and Catcher with put out) for out number 3 of the inning. and both 3rd baseman and Catcher credit for DP out

2) the batter should be assigned a Fielders Choice, and grounding into a double play ( GDP Statistic) !

3) the scorecard should reflect the runner from 2nd, forced out at third as out#2 and the runner at 3rd, tagged out at home as out#3.
( more on scorecard in commentary)

4) the scorecast play-by-play should reflect above.


ISCORE ENTRY
IN PLAY > FIELDERS CHOICE > Hit Location , Med, Grounder, NEXT > 3B(5), 3B(5), C(2) DONE > OUT , HOME, TAGGED OUT > 3B(5), 3B(5), C(2) DONE > OUT THIRD, DOUBLE PLAY.

scorecast output:
Batter <#, BatterName> hits to third baseman <#, Fielder Name> on the throw from third baseman to catcher <#,Catcher name>. <#, Runner Name> is tagged out at home. DOUBLE PLAY!

caveat out Sequence on Scorecard
The out order on scorecard will not be correct. (2nd and 3rd outs are flipped). This is a small known bug to developers (as reported on forum). Normally a quick play will correct that, but as you know there is not a quick in play for this fielders choice 5-2 scenario.


FC DP ENTRY COMMENTARY
* For Double Plays, Using the DOUBLE PLAY button is the Key for correct double play stats. (it credits the two put outs, the assist and sets the DP and GDP stats).
* For fielders Choices, taping only the fielders evolved in an out (not part of this scenario, but if you have a reach on fielders choice and no out made, you would skip tapping any fielders involved with play and instead tap done and then clarify using notes. eg FC 5-2 Safe or something like that)
* In the entry sequence above, "tap fielders involved" , I suggest tap 5, 5-2 (technically, you can do just 5-2), But for me makes sense to do 5, 5-2. the program decodes correctly. Yes the program asks you a second time to tap fielders as you pointed out, the second entry is technically not needed, but i just repeat as a habit 5,5-2. a small bug/quark.
* Over the years, There have been multiple discussions on this forum on challanges for fielders Choice and DP entry and ideas on ways to make entry more intuitive -- quick plays was the initial response for Common Double plays, but the number of DP and FC scenarios is too large to include all combination, the developers have said before a more complete fix is on their list for future consideration but necessarily a priority.
* the above entry method is the practice i would enter to get the statistics and play -by- play and i just live with a minor annoyance on the quarks. .
Last edited by OhioTex on Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:29 am, edited 2 times in total.
Reason: Made Sticky FAQ TIP
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Re: TIP: How to Score a Fielders Choice Double Play Sequence - FAQ

Post by brkingston » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:04 pm

Wow, OhioTex, this is an incredible reply. Thanks! I can't imagine how much time it would have taken me to get that answer by searching through the forum.
It's good to know the details of how things work and what should be happening. I'm glad to hear I'm doing things correctly (at least pretty close) and I'll try out your 5,5-2 trick.
This seems like a pretty hard one for the developers to resolve, with not all that much payback so I understand it's low-priority.

This is a great product and keep up the excellent work!

Thanks again OhioTex!
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Re: TIP: How to Score a Fielders Choice Double Play Sequence - FAQ

Post by OhioTex » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:16 pm

to be fair, i over explained for the forum TIP post. when you are at the field, all you really need to remember is BE CONFIDENT, your instincts are good and Use DOUBLE PLAY button on a double play and tap only the fielders involved with an OUT on a fielders choice (do not tap fielders involved on a SAFE fielders choice).

also, let me re state. the double 5 ie 5,5-2 is NOT required, 5-2 is technically correct. (5,5-2 , It is just my habit from paper scoring days).
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Re: TIP: How to Score a Fielders Choice Double Play Sequence - FAQ

Post by brkingston » Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:44 pm

So a double-play came up today that got me thinking given what you said above... runner on 1st, 1 out. Ground ball to SS, SS steps on 2B and throws to 1B for double-play. So is this what I enter?...

Out, Ground Out, (tap location near shortstop), Next, SS - 1B (6-3), Done, (asks what happened to runner that was on 1st base), Out, Second, Double Play

Does SS get credited properly for the putout at second and the assist?

Thanks again.
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Re: TIP: How to Score a Fielders Choice Double Play Sequence - FAQ

Post by OhioTex » Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:33 pm

Yes. That is how to enter it


Batter gets a AB and a GDP
SS gets a put out, an assist and a DP
1B gets a put out and a DP
Scorecard has outs in correct order

You can create a test game or score a game on tv and try various things like this out to get more comfortable with unique plays
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Re: TIP: How to Score a Fielders Choice Double Play Sequence - FAQ

Post by Jim80817 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:45 pm

Apparently DP scoring is a little wonky, and I'm sure developers will work on it, but I haven't seen this scenario asked about yet. Runners on 1st and 2nd, ground to 2B in base path, 2B tags runner from 1st, throws to 1B at 1st for second out of DP and 3rd out of the inning. Attempted multiple ways, but closest result is In Play, Out, Ground Out, mark ball position, 2B-2B-1B (at suggestion of someone in forums), Done, runner on 2nd advances OTT, runner on 1st out on double play. Score card shows DP for batter and 2nd out of inning, and force on runner from first and 3rd out of inning. Runner at 2nd is thankfully not shown to advance. The put outs and assists seem right but the grounded into double play is not as GDP says 0 after the recalc, but without ending the game. If anyone in forum knows of a better way to score this in the future, I'd appreciate the help.
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Re: TIP: How to Score a Fielders Choice Double Play Sequence - FAQ

Post by OhioTex » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:56 pm

Make sure Using the DOUBLE PLAY button
And
Make sure what happen to runner from 1st?
OUT -SECOND - DOUBLE PLAY!

(You did mention second in your post, if you put runner at first out back at first , the gdp stat may not show)

So
OUT > GROUND OUT >location, type, speed, NEXT >
> 4-3 DONE>
R2? SAFE,THIRD,ADVANCE BY BATTER >
R1? OUT, SECOND, DOUBLE PLAY
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