Sac Fly Question - rules

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Sac Fly Question - rules

Post by brentwalker » Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:27 pm

MLB rule 10.08 (d) states that Score a sacrifice fly when, before two are out, the batter hits a ball in flight handled by an outfielder or an infielder running in the outfield in fair or foul territory that (2) is dropped, and a runner scores, if in the scorer's judgment the runner could have scored after the catch had the fly been caught.
Rule 10.08(d) comment: The official scorer shall score a scarifice fly in accordance with Rule 10.08(d)(2) even though another runner is forced out by reason of the batter becoming a runner.

So just checking my understanding here.

Runners on 1st and 3rd with 1 out. Batter hits fly ball to LF who consequently misplays the ball in his glove and does not complete the catch. Runner on 3rd scores but runner from 1st is thrown out at second. Batter/Runner gets sac fly credit but is now safe at 1st.

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Re: Sac Fly Question - rules

Post by danmcc » Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:04 pm

If the Left Fielder had caught it cleanly would the runner on third have scored? If it was a shallow fly that would have made the runner on third hold then I would score it an error with a force out at 2nd. If the fly was deep enough then the sac would be given. JMO
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Re: Sac Fly Question - rules

Post by brentwalker » Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:12 pm

to the first part of your question, I guess in this example, YES is the answer to your question, the runner scored.

To the second part of your statement, it would not be a Sac Fly if the runner does not score, right, it would then simply be an error on LF and runner held at 3rd.

Its the way these rules are written, you need to be an english major to understand them sometimes. Sheesh!
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Re: Sac Fly Question - rules

Post by Bryan D Shepherd » Fri Apr 16, 2010 2:27 pm

brentwalker wrote:To the second part of your statement, it would not be a Sac Fly if the runner does not score, right, it would then simply be an error on LF and runner held at 3rd.
Correct, a sacrifice can only be credited IF AND ONLY IF a base runner moved up without being put out, AND the batter should've been put out to allow that runner to advance. You can't score a sacrifice on a base hit, even though it qualifies part 1.
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Re: Sac Fly Question - rules

Post by Forrest Howe » Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:51 pm

Why would a fielder even try to catch a fly in foul territory if it were deep enough to score a run? Unless the run wouldn't make any difference and the out was preferred.
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Re: Sac Fly Question - rules

Post by PPPadre » Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:23 pm

Forrest - We had a situation in HS Regionals where a fly ball was hit, started tailing away from the right fielder, and he dove to make a spectacular catch 3 inches over the foul line. Runner on 3rd tagged and scored on the foul out (we lost 1-0).

If the kid hadn't dove for the ball, Murphy's Law would have put it 3 inches fair instead of foul - then we would have had only one out, given up a run, and had a runner on second, rather than one run in, two out, bases empty.

Sometimes they are just too close to let drop.
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Re: Sac Fly Question - rules

Post by Illiniram » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:08 am

Had this situation happen last night. Bases loaded and one out. Fly ball to LF and he misplayed off his glove for an error and all runner moved up one base including batter. I did not score this in Iscore as a Sac Fly but should have. Recorded as batter reaching on an error but RBI was given to batter knowing that runner would have scored if LF would have caught the ball. Can this be corrected in edit pitch by pitch as currently player is getting charged for an official AB when he shouldn't be?
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Re: Sac Fly Question - rules

Post by mprusak » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:51 am

Illiniram wrote:Had this situation happen last night. Bases loaded and one out. Fly ball to LF and he misplayed off his glove for an error and all runner moved up one base including batter. I did not score this in Iscore as a Sac Fly but should have. Recorded as batter reaching on an error but RBI was given to batter knowing that runner would have scored if LF would have caught the ball. Can this be corrected in edit pitch by pitch as currently player is getting charged for an official AB when he shouldn't be?
Without having tried it, yes I belive this should be able to be edited. Go into pitch-by-pitch and find the play. Click edit and change to Sac Fly w error.

Otherwise, you can edit stats to reduce AB by 1 and increase SF by 1.
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Re: Sac Fly Question - rules

Post by FTMSupport » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:59 am

It can be edited. Just go to pitch by pitch for the game, tap the pitch, tap edit next to the batter reaching on error, and select the "Sac Fly with Error" option.
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Re: Sac Fly Question - rules

Post by eoghanrd » Thu May 09, 2013 5:39 am

Forrest Howe wrote:Why would a fielder even try to catch a fly in foul territory if it were deep enough to score a run? Unless the run wouldn't make any difference and the out was preferred.
Last time I saw a fielder intentionally let a foul ball drop to prevent a sac fly, the next pitch was a grand slam.........DO NOT ANGER THE BASEBALL GODS!
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