TIP Q: Difference between Advance by Batter vs Held Up and on the Throw (FAQ)

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TIP Q: Difference between Advance by Batter vs Held Up and on the Throw (FAQ)

Postby Pontiac Tomahawks » Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:11 pm

When a runner is advanced by a preceding Batter-runner, is there a statistical difference in using "Advanced by batter" versus "Held up"?

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Re: Q: Advance by Batter vs Held Up

Postby OhioTex » Sun Jan 08, 2017 3:08 pm

no statistical difference. advance by batter and held up. just personal preference on how you want play by play to read.
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Re: Q: Advance by Batter vs Held Up

Postby team mom » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:10 am

The only time it makes a statistical difference is going home. Advanced by Batter will award the batter a RBI. Held up will not.
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Re: Q: Advance by Batter vs Held Up

Postby OhioTex » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:34 am

@ team mom, not sure i agree. Perhaps in a special case ( ? ) but that may be more about the situation (e.g., error, double play, on the throw, PB or WP ) than the button choice (advance by batter or held up) . do you have any examples?

When i tested a couple basic RBI scenario's at home plate, it did not matter if you use "advance by batter" or "held up" at home .


@ Pontiac Tomahawks .. some more explanation on my short post from before..

in the past, Support has suggested "Advance by Batter" and "Held Up" are not statistically different. Historically, the recommendation has been to use Advanced by Batter for the runners that are already on base, and Held Up for the batter. The difference I have seen shows up in the play-by-play (and scorecast text), the pdf scorebook and numerical stats are treated the same.

Here are some historical posts on the topic by Support

FTMSupport wrote:Usually advanced by batter would be used for Runners, not the batter himself. It is really just a matter of preference in those cases though. From a statistics point of view, the two wind up scoring the same way.

We would typically use Advanced by Batter for the runners that are already on base, and Held Up for the batter himself (i.e. he held up at first base, did not try stretching the single into a double). But again, it is really personal preference since the stats treat them the same.

source: http://iscoreforum.com/baseball/posting.php?mode=quote&f=3&p=2559



Here is some more on RBI credits


FTMSupport wrote:If you advance the runner to home on Error, the batter is not given an RBI. If you advance the batter to home with Advanced by Batter or Held Up, he is given an RBI. So be sure if the runner is scoring on an error, you enter it as the runner scoring on error.

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On the Throw does not give an RBI.

And Double Plays do not get RBI's either.

source: http://iscoreforum.com/baseball/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3412&p=15703&hilit=Held+up+advance+by+batter#p15703
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Re: Q: Advance by Batter vs Held Up

Postby team mom » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:31 am

You are probably correct. That was my understanding but I have never tested it so thoroughly. I am probably thinking On The Throw.
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Re: Q: Advance by Batter vs Held Up

Postby FTMSupport » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:39 pm

On the Throw definitely makes a difference but Held Up vs Advanced by Batter is really just personal preference.
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