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Q: Hit or FC? (answered)
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:52 pm
by Pontiac Tomahawks
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Ok - so here's the scenario. Bases loaded, no outs. Batter hits a bloop over SS (near 3B). Fielder shows extraordinary effort but ball still lands on the ground. Runner on 2B holds a few steps from 2B before trying to advance when the ball hits the ground. Because he held - and because the batter-runner has now reached safely - the only play the SS has is the force out at 3B. Do you score this a hit or a FC? I opted for hit.
Re: Q: Hit or FC?
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:58 pm
by OhioTex
Fielders choice. By rule, when proceeding runner forced out , No hit credited by definition. (MLB 9.05.b.1)
No error as you called it 'extraordinary effort'
( validated by no In field fly rule)
Re: Q: Hit or FC?
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:24 pm
by Pontiac Tomahawks
So then my question is - how would this be different than a soft fly that is a base hit and a runner at 3B is thrown out at home?
Re: Q: Hit or FC?
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:01 pm
by OhioTex
in your out at home question, If the out is a force, No hit.
If the runner was not forced to advance and just made a bone head base running mistake. then could give a hit.
The job of the batter is to advance the runners.
IMO The scoring is pretty clear cut, even when the baserunner may be to blame..
Scoring at times can be hard luck
MLB RULES
9.0 rules of scoring
9.05 base hits ...
9.05.(b) The official scorer will not credit a base hit when a:
9.05.b.(1) runner is forced out by a batted ball, or would have been forced out except for a fielding error;
9.05.b.(2) batter apparently hits safely and a runner who is forced to advance by reason of the batter becoming a runner fails to touch the first base to which such runner is advancing and is called out on appeal. The official scorer shall charge the batter with a time at bat but no hit;
9.05.b.(3) pitcher, the catcher or any infielder handles a batted ball and puts out a preceding runner who is attempting to advance one base or to return to his original base, or would have put out such runner with ordinary effort except for a fielding error. The official scorer shall charge the batter with a time at bat but no hit;
Re: Q: Hit or FC?
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 6:06 am
by team mom
You cannot score a hit when a preceding runner is out via force out.