Softball Relief Pitcher- win or save?

[BucketDad]

OK I've gotten conflicting answers to this from two local coaches and I've seen a similar post that involved baseball. Here goes:
Fastpitch softball, top of the 6th inning.
Score is 3-5. Bases loaded (walk, single, single), 2 outs.
Home Pitcher A is relieved by Home Pitcher B.
Pitcher B then walks and gives up a single to the next 2 batters.
Score tied 5-5. Next batter grounds out for the 3rd out.

The home team does win in their half of the inning (exciting game, btw).

My question is, Which pitcher gets the win or does Pitcher A get a win and Pitcher B get a save?

I've read the MLB rules and a few things apply here for Pitch B to get a save. Like, pitching 1/3 inning, taking over with less than a 3 run lead, with tying run on base. But where I get hung up on is the part about pitching for at least 3 innings.

I understand softball in general doesn't use relief pitchers the same way baseball does. Our games in this tournament are 7 innings or 70 minutes and we were beyond the 70 min. mark when the bottom of the 6th began.

One coach has told me B gets a save another coach says she gets a win because the runs on base were not hers since Pitcher A allowed the tie situation to occur.

Thanks, and great app, great forum.

Silas

[jcbeckman]

Not sure about softball, but I'm pretty sure in MLB those runs all belong to Pitcher A. Since winning runs were scored with Pitcher B in the game, I'd give B the win and A no decision. But I'm no Official Scorer.

[team mom]

http://nfca.org.ismmedia.com/ISM2/Multi ... r/ATEC.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is a good resource i use for for scoring. It says that pitcher a can't have the win because the game went to a tie after she left the game.

[BucketDad]

@ team mom, thanks for the manual. I now have a new reference to add to my list. Excellent resource!

Silas

[CSThunderCoach]

NCAA Rule 14.29.6 Winning Pitcher
14.29.6.2.3 The relief pitcher was the pitcher of record when her team gained the lead and stayed in the lead.

14.29.8 Save.
A pitcher must meet all three of the following conditions to be credited with a save:
14.29.8.1 She is the last pitcher in the win.
14.29.8.2 She is not the winning pitcher.
14.29.8.3 She meets one of the following conditions:
14.29.8.3.1 She enters the game with a lead of not more than three runs and pitches for at least one inning.
14.29.8.3.2 She pitches effectively for at least three innings.

[OhioTex]

thunder.. is there not a third part to the third part rule 14.29.8.3 in NCAA..
(I do not have my ncaa case book with me at the moment),

but i would have expected a reference to tieing run being on base/at bat/on deck.. (analagous to MLB 10.19.d.2 rule (and in the NCF link team Mom attached).

Update.. Yes, Here is a link to ncaa rule book
https://www.ncaapublications.com//produ ... f#page=237

[CSThunderCoach]

Yes, you are correct. My cut and paste was incomplete.
14.29.8.3.3 She enters the game with the potential tying run on base, at bat or on deck.

[OhioTex]

back to the original question.. Pitcher B gets the Win!
(and a blown save if you care to track that) Pitcher A no decsion.

almost all rules i have seen MLB NCAA ASA HFHS have some clause to the effect fo r apitcher to get a win, their team must stay in the lead, Whenever the score is tied, the game becomes a new contest insofar as the winning pitcher is concerned. also a pitcher can not get credit for a win and a save, they are mutually exclusive.

in this case, game tied going to last half inning, Pitcher B is pitcher of record, team scores and wins, pitcher wins.

[BucketDad]

@OhioTex: yes, back to the original question. You guys had me confused there for a moment. I did realize it was a blown save (iScore doesn't track that) It does suck for Pitcher A and Pitcher B gets a win but no blown save recorded. Plus Pitcher B only pitched for 1/3 of an inning. Doesn't seem fair/right but thems the rules.

As an aside and why I wanted to get this correct- Pitcher B is my daughter and she just joined this team a month ago. Pitcher A is the coach's daughter and I've been emailing the game results to him.

Silas

[OhioTex]

I have found there are a number of technically correct rules that are odd/stink/seem unfair. "they are what they are".. .. I thus try to apply consistently and with the right recognizable governing body as a reference point . In this case it is pretty cut and dried, on Win vs Save. (NFHS and ASA agree too) same story.