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• Runner on base, an un caught third strike on batter, batter-runner is safe at first, but defense makes an out on another runner on the play...

• Does the catcher still get dinged with a PB (or pitcher w/ WP)?

• • a) What if defense gets out the Lead runner? (i.e. makes a good strategic fielding decision)
    • e.g R2, 0 outs: D3S: Defense tags out R2 going to 3rd.
      
      Update: Answer No, Passed ball assigned to Catcher stats
      no base runners advance, (except batter-runner) and defense improved its situation from before the pitch ( better with R1 and 1 out, than R3 and 1 out, or R2 and 0 outs)
    b) what if defense got out trailing runner, but Lead runner did not advance ? (I know less likely real world scenario, but possible)
    • e.g, R2,R3, 0 outs: D3S: R3 held at 3rd, R2 tagged out, Batter safe at 1
      
      Update: Answer No, Passed ball assigned to Catcher stats
      no Base Runners Advanced (except batter-runner) and Defense improved their pre pitch situation ( R3 R1 and 1 out vs R3 R2 and o out)
    c) what if defense got a trailing runner out but allowed lead runner to advance/score? (another, low probability real world scenario)
    • e.g, R2,R3, 0 outs: D3S: R3 scores, R2 out at 3rd, Batter safe at 1?
      
      Update: Answer Yes, Passed ball assigned to catcher.
      the passed ball allowed the batter-runner to reach first and allowed the runner R3 to advance (even score) defense worsened their situation pre/post pitch..
      (FYI batter does not get an RBI because his actions at the plate did not give rise to the run scoring).
    d) What if a force out, third out, is made ?
    • e.g.. Bases loaded, 2 outs, D3S, Catcher steps on Home for third out (the smart play) ?
      
      Update: Answer No, Passed ball assigned to Catcher stats
      Same answer for any 3rd out, force out, on BR, R1, R2, or R3 situation, no runs scored, no runners advance, no passed ball
    e) What if not a force out but a 2 out timing play, and runner advanced/ scored before 3rd out made?
    • e.g.. 2 outs, R1,R2, D3S, Catcher over throws third (error catcher), R2 scores and R1 tagged out at 3rd, (after R3 scored).
      
      Update: Answer Yes, Passed ball assigned to Catcher stats
      Batter Advances to first, and R2 advances to Third because of passed ball and R2 scores before third out is made, and R2 scores on Throwing error,

MLB 9.12.f.2
When the catcher recovers the ball after a wild pitch or passed ball on the third strike, and throws out the batter- runner at first base, or tags out the batter-runner, but another runner or runners advance, the official scorer shall score the strikeout, the putout and assists, if any, and credit the advance of the other runner or runners on the play as a fielder’s choice.


9.13.(b)
The official scorer shall charge a catcher with a passed ball when the catcher fails to hold or to control a legally pitched ball that should have been held or controlled with ordinary effort, thereby permitting a runner or runners to advance. When the third strike is a passed ball, permitting the batter to reach first base, the official scorer shall score a strikeout and a passed ball.

Rule 9.13 Comment:
The official scorer shall not charge a wild pitch or passed ball if the defensive team makes an out before any runners advance. For example, if a pitch touches the ground and eludes the catcher with a runner on first base, but the catcher recovers the ball and throws to second base in time to retire the runner, the official scorer shall not charge the pitcher with a wild pitch. The official scorer shall credit the advancement of any other runner on the play as a fielder’s choice. If a catcher drops a pitch, for example, with a runner on first base, but the catcher recovers the ball and throws to second base in time to retire the runner, the official scorer shall not charge the catcher with a passed ball. The official scorer shall credit the advancement of any other runner on the play as a fielder’s choice.

• Both situations are when batter reaches first safe on a D3S, My question is when should a Passed ball be credited ( or not) to catcher for these two batter safe but other runner out situations.
  (I am not focused on when batter out at first, on a d3S, just when safe.... b/c i do not think Iscore looks at outcome of other runners before assigning the passed ball)
  (I am also not concerned at this time about scorecard notation on runner advancing by Passed ball or fielders choice, as it is not a tracked stat, just a scorecard explanation).

• Situation A
  • R2, 1out
    Batter strikes out, but catcher does not catch third strike, clearly a passed ball.
    Batter-runner advances safe to first .
    R2 not stealing to begin, sees ball in dirt, tries to advance to third, but tagged out 2-5, at 3rd (2nd out)
  Stats: Pitcher credited a strike out, Batter charged a strike out. Catcher gets an assist on R2, Third base gets a put out on R2.
  Passed Ball? - I would now say, do not credit a passed ball to catcher even though batter Runner Advanced to first.- Because Catcher made an out on the play and no runner advanced, in this case even improved the defensive position, (2 out R1 vs 1 out R2)
  Iscore Entry? - Do you agree no Passed Ball charged to Catcher? If agree, how would you enter that in iscore and not have to do a manual edit override of Passed Ball. I have run into a road block on how to do that without having to manually over ride the PB stat on catcher.

• Situation B
  • R1,R2,R3, 2 out
    Batter strikes out but catcher does not catch third strike, clearly a passed ball (similar if a wild pitch).
    Batter-runner advances safe to first
    Catcher gets ball, steps on home, forcing out of R3 (out three).
  stats: Pitcher credited a strike out. Batter credited a strike out. and Catcher credited a put out of R3 (3rd out).
  Passed ball?: I think we would agree no Passed ball should be credited to catcher as R3 was out and passed ball was of no consequence to defense no runner advanced/scored
  iScore entry ? how would you enter that in iscore and not have to have do a manual edit override of Passed Ball.. (same question as in situation 1 above)
  
  Best iScore Entry i could come up with
  • If enter, Strike > Safe > Dropped third strike > R3? Out, Home, Force out, Catcher , done >
    
    Iscore (Correctly) Credits - Pitcher credited a strike out. Batter credited a strike out. and Catcher credited a put out of R3 (3rd out).
    iscore ( Incorrectly) Credits - Catcher with a Passed Ball (PB)
    Issue - How to enter to avoid the Catcher getting a PB on this play, as the other stats are correct.
  Conclusion - I could not find a better way to enter this play in iScore , have to remember to manually correct PB in stats

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