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Runner on third, on a passed ball or a wild pitch, if the catch gets the ball and makes a play on the runner should it be scored as a stolen base or should it stay a wp/pb.
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Still wild pitch / passed ball.
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I realize this is unlikely, but what if the runner on third was trying to steal before the wild pitch or passed ball occurred?
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If you know for sure the runner was trying to steal, they still get a stolen base.
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You mentioned nothing in your original post about the runner on third breaking on the pitch... You are talking a straight steal of home.. ?
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This discussion sort of raises an interesting point. Regardless of the base, if the runner broke for the next base before the passed ball or wild pitch occurred they are credited with a stolen base. If they only took the next base because they saw the ball get past the catcher then they don't get credit for the stolen base even if the catcher tries to throw them out and they risk being thrown out. However if the catcher indeed does throw them out after the runner decides to take the next base after seeing a wild pitch or passed ball, the runner is recorded as out by caught stealing! So you can be caught stealing when you get no credit for stealing the base. This is the way I've learned to score it anyway. Always seemed to me though that if you advanced on a PB/WP and there still was a legitimate chance the defense could make a play on you to get you out that it should be worth a stolen base. The logic I suppose though is, you never would have tried the next base had there not been the PB/WP.
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I've been grazing the board reading scoring questions (just joined today), and wanted to reply even though the post is three-plus years old.
It really is not proper to charge a caught stealing on a play if a stolen base cannot be credited if the runner had been safe
OBR Scoring rule 10.07(h) Comment:
It really is not proper to charge a caught stealing on a play if a stolen base cannot be credited if the runner had been safe
OBR Scoring rule 10.07(h) Comment:
A similar note at the college level: NCAA 10.11 note:In those instances where a pitched ball eludes the catcher and the runner is put out trying to advance, the official scorer shall not charge any “caught stealing.” The official scorer shall not charge any caught stealing when a runner is awarded a base due to obstruction or when a runner is called out due to interference by the batter. The official scorer shall not charge a runner
with a caught stealing if such runner would not have been credited with a stolen base had such runner
been safe (for example, when a catcher throws the runner out after such runner tries to advance
after a ball that had eluded the catcher on a pitch).
So, hope that will be useful.Note: Do not charge caught stealing unless the runner has an opportunity to be credited with a stolen base when the play starts.
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grstatdoc,
Appreciate this and other posts even though to old topics. Softball season starts tomorrow and I was just checking the forum out after being off it since the fall scrimmages.
Appreciate this and other posts even though to old topics. Softball season starts tomorrow and I was just checking the forum out after being off it since the fall scrimmages.