Fielder's Choice
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Fielder's Choice
When I looked up fielder's choice, on the official MLB rules site I found: "FIELDER'S CHOICE is the act of a fielder who handles a fair grounder and, instead of throwing to first base to put out the batter-runner, throws to another base in an attempt to put out a preceding runner. "
If the ball is grounded to the second baseman, who then tags the runner from first as she is running, is it a fielder's choice? (ie. does there have to be a throw involved to make it a fielder's choice?)
If the ball is grounded to the second baseman, who then tags the runner from first as she is running, is it a fielder's choice? (ie. does there have to be a throw involved to make it a fielder's choice?)
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Re: Fielder's Choice
NCAA Softball Rule 14.2.10 Fielder’s Choice: A fielder fielding a ground ball and attempting to put out a preceding base runner rather than the batter-runner at first when a throw to first base would have put out the batter-runner.
A throw is not required for the scorer to score a FC on a play.
A throw is not required for the scorer to score a FC on a play.
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Re: Fielder's Choice
Thankyou. All my searching just seemed to find the ones with throw in them. I guess I'm search challenged.
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Re: Fielder's Choice
No problem. A throw is not required in MLB either - just worded funny. As long as a throw to first would have gotten the Batter/Runner, but the Fielder tagged/forced a preceding runner (either by throwing to another base or tagging the runner) it is recorded as a FC.
The key to a FC is not how the preceding runner gets out, its whether or not a throw to first would have retired the batter/runner.
Scenario:
Runners on 1st and 2nd
Batter hits a looper to left. Left fielder gets on 1 bounce and throws out runner at third on the force. This is not a FC as the left fielder had no shot at getting the runner at first. Score it as a hit-single and a force out at third.
The key to a FC is not how the preceding runner gets out, its whether or not a throw to first would have retired the batter/runner.
Scenario:
Runners on 1st and 2nd
Batter hits a looper to left. Left fielder gets on 1 bounce and throws out runner at third on the force. This is not a FC as the left fielder had no shot at getting the runner at first. Score it as a hit-single and a force out at third.
Re: Fielder's Choice
exactly coach..CSThunderCoach wrote:The key to a FC is not how the preceding runner gets out, its whether or not a throw to first would have retired the batter/runner..
Also , fyi, an out is not absolutely required either, ie if in the scorer judgement, had a throw to first been made and it would have retired the batter/runner with normal effort, then score it at FC.. even if the other runner was safe or reached next base on error ..the batter runner can still get an FC. . .
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Re: Fielder's Choice
Thankyou.
Actually managed to get my hands on the softball canada rule book today, so now I'm set.
Actually managed to get my hands on the softball canada rule book today, so now I'm set.
Re: Fielder's Choice
MLB rules would disagree:CSThunderCoach wrote: Scenario:
Runners on 1st and 2nd
Batter hits a looper to left. Left fielder gets on 1 bounce and throws out runner at third on the force. This is not a FC as the left fielder had no shot at getting the runner at first. Score it as a hit-single and a force out at third.
"10.06 A base hit shall not be scored in the following cases:
(a) When a runner is forced out by a batted ball, or would have been forced out except for a fielding error;"
We have this situation arise from time to time. A runner on first has to hold half-way on a fly to left. The left-fielder short hops the ball and fires to second for the force. The left-fielder has no chance to get the runner, yet it still is scored as a FC 7-4.
Re: Fielder's Choice
That rule is in MLB 10.05 (b) (1) in case someone wants to review this and can't find it.coop85 wrote:
MLB rules would disagree:
"10.06 A base hit shall not be scored in the following cases:
(a) When a runner is forced out by a batted ball, or would have been forced out except for a fielding error;"
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Re: Fielder's Choice
Thanks for the heads-up, the site I use must be out-of-date. I'll bookmark the MLB site from now on.PetroGuy wrote:That rule is in MLB 10.05 (b) (1) in case someone wants to review this and can't find it.coop85 wrote:
MLB rules would disagree:
"10.06 A base hit shall not be scored in the following cases:
(a) When a runner is forced out by a batted ball, or would have been forced out except for a fielding error;"
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Re: Fielder's Choice
Had to do some more digging and found rule 14.4.1, 14.4.5 & 14.4.6
A hit is not credited to the batter in the following situations:
14.4.1 When a batter advances one or more bases while a fielder who handles a fair hit attempts to put out a preceding runner.
14.4.5 When a runner is forced out on a batted ball or would have been forced out except for a fielding error.
14.4.6 When a fielder fails in an attempt to retire a preceding runner and, in the official scorer’s judgment, the batter-runner could have been retired at first base.
So, in my scenario (and many more like it) it is difficult to get credit for a hit if there is 1 or more runners on base.
A hit is not credited to the batter in the following situations:
14.4.1 When a batter advances one or more bases while a fielder who handles a fair hit attempts to put out a preceding runner.
14.4.5 When a runner is forced out on a batted ball or would have been forced out except for a fielding error.
14.4.6 When a fielder fails in an attempt to retire a preceding runner and, in the official scorer’s judgment, the batter-runner could have been retired at first base.
So, in my scenario (and many more like it) it is difficult to get credit for a hit if there is 1 or more runners on base.